1. I thought Mills rather accurately described the main fault lines that are appearing, economic and social. These areas of disagreement with the old “neo-Cath” default position are what unite the new young illiberals together. Within that group, however, it seems to me that there are more, many more, “socialist Catholics” than “traditional Catholics.”

  2. Both your and Mill’s post are vague on evidence of this “shift” in opinion. I would be happy to be proven incorrect on this , but I just don’t see it. The comments and stories at Ethika Politika certainly don’t reflect much of a change. The Actonites are still well represented there.

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      I would say just the existence of a forum like EP indicates that there is a shift underway; I couldn’t imagine such a thing existing a decade ago. Granted, EP does give voice to liberals of various stripes, so it is not, by itself, an illiberal forum. However, I would also point to the growth of books/reprints on CST and Distributism which have appeared over the last five to ten years as well. Moreover, given how much muck is thrown at Distributism by Actonites, I think it is safe to say that they see an actual threat there, even if they try to publicly brush it all off as poppycock.

  3. Ita Scripta Est: That’s a good question. Trying to discern such movements is a matter of putting together information that can be put together in different ways. I know what I described is true of people I know and read, and I think they’re representative of a large segment of politically conservative Catholicism but I could be wrong. In any case, here’s one comment on the article by a young man associated with conservative, free-marketing enterprises, which is some evidence:

    I think there is quite a large group of people who are intimately familiar with free market arguments and would have proudly called themselves capitalists or libertarians at some point in the past, but have changed their minds about economics in light of Church teaching or other developments in their philosophical understanding. The “they just don’t understand the arguments” theory about the rise of anti-capitalist orthodox Christians holds no weight in my opinion and is rarely voiced by people who have taken the time to understand the corresponding arguments of said Christians. My generation of politically aware Christians grew up with Hayek and Novak type arguments all around us, and it is not for lack of familiarity that many are choosing St. Thomas and MacIntyre and so forth over them. But I am biased because I consider myself one such person and a friend of many others.

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